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“Pattern-Completer” LLMs when dealing with Complex Instructions: 2 Grox3 Tower of Hanoi Failure Summary

The Findings

Target (ID)	Fix / Variant (version)	Outcome	Evidence / Notes
Stored-program discipline (T1)	Signature + plan + invariants; one-shot 255 (v1)	Fail	Run length 255 but illegal moves (e.g., step 24 “5 onto 4”), so signature alone didn’t bind behavior.
	Signature + chunking + pinned oracles (v5)	Partial (expected strong; not fully exercised)	Conceptually strong because oracles catch wrong arcs; not end-to-end tested due to SSOT/UX constraints.
SSOT state design (T2)	Heavy SSOT (full `pegs` + `pos`)	Partial	Model can still ignore state unless forced to echo/verify; still patterned even with heavy state.
	Minimal SSOT (`n, src, aux, dst`) + parity beacon (v6)	Partial/Fail	Errors at step 7 (K=32) and step 20 (K=64): parity noticed but destination drifted.
	Minimal SSOT + handshake (`tb→ta` tops echo, v7)	Partial	Step 10 illegal (`A>B` instead of `B>A`), yet line showed `ok`. Handshake could expose mismatch but model didn’t self-stop.
Disk scheduler (“which disk”) (T3)	Pattern rhythm (“smallest odd; some even move”)	Fail	Guessed even moves; produced illegal arcs (e.g., step 24).
	Lowbit schedule `k=1+tz(t)` (v2+)	Success	All later logs showed correct `d=k` (disk identity right); remaining errors were destination choice.
Destination selection (“where”) (T4)	Fixed direction by disk parity (odd CW, even CCW)	Fail	Works only for smallest; caused illegal larger→smaller at steps 48, 64, 80…
	“Unique legal dst” for k>1 (check both candidates)	Partial	Stalled at t=2 (both dst empty ⇒ tie); needed tie-break / even-rule.
	Two-pegs rule on even (move between pegs not holding smallest; smaller top → larger/empty)	Partial	Algorithmically correct; still drifted in practice (e.g., step 24) unless paired with explicit tops echo / pins.
	Even-step echo `ev={p:tp,q:tq}` (proposed)	Untested	Would force explicit comparison of tops to bind the two-pegs rule.
Per-step legality checks & proof signals (T5)	Implicit `	ok` only	Fail
	Add `dst_top_before` per line (v3/v4)	Partial	Reduced drift but still hallucinated values (e.g., at 24 it claimed `dst_top_before=1` on C while smallest was on A).
	Handshake `tb→ta` echo (v7)	Partial	Mechanically strong; still saw wrong move at 10 with `ok`. Needs external gate or stronger self-verif.
	Tops-after triple `tops_after=A[] B[] C[]` (v5)	Proposed	Intended to force actual updates; not fully tested.
Parity-first attention (T6)	`p=o	e` label (v6+)	Partial
	Even-step candidate pair `c=<X,Y>` (v6)	Partial	Helped salience; still drifted without explicit top comparison.
Chunking / entropy control (T7)	K=255 (single shot)	Fail	Drift at 24.
	K=64	Partial/Fail	Drift at 20 on your run.
	K=32	Fail	Drift at 7 on your run (even with parity beacon).
	K=32 + heavy SSOT + pinned oracles (v5)	Untested end-to-end	Likely most stable combo but conflicts with minimal-state preference.
SAFE_STOP behavior (T8)	Self-declared “stop on any failed check”	Partial	Model often didn’t self-stop; emitted `ok` on illegal lines (e.g., 10, 24). Needs external Teacher gate or easier self-verification.
Oracles / trapgates (T9)	Mid milestone `t=128` must be `A>C`	Success	Held true in logs (disc 8 moved A→C at 128).
	Surgical trapgate at `t=24` must be `C>B`	Proposed/Intermittent	Would catch recurring wrong arc; when not present, drift recurred.
	Wide oracle map for many even steps (v5)	Untested	Heavy but highly constraining; expected strong.
Signature, OPCODE whitelist, strict grammar (T10)	Present in strong-attractor prompts	Partial	Good hygiene (reduced prose) but insufficient to ensure legality without verifiable state.
Clear entropy / resets (T11)	EPOCH++ restart after SAFE_STOP	Proposed	Not exercised; depends on reliable SAFE_STOP triggering.

The Chats

Do you understand the following guidelines? If you understand, I will ask you generate a prompt to ask Gork3 straight follows to complete a recursive task.
...

Yes—I’ve got it.

Quick checksum of what you gave:

Coach-Compiler produces a Worker Instruction Packet (WIP); Worker is a text-VM that obeys an OPCODE whitelist only.
STATE (SSOT) JSON carries epoch/phase/step/vars/artifacts/K/oracle; Worker ignores narrative history.
Program Freeze (P1) with a PROGRAM_SIGNATURE; any drift ⇒ refuse/SAFE_STOP.
Worker I/O is result-level (not micro-steps): EMIT:<compact_result> lines (≤K per turn) + a single CHECKPOINT STATE={...}. Any failed assert ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
Invariants + milestone asserts define legality and goal-surface checks.
Phases P0→P1→P2→P3, with Upgrade Policy (lower K, forbid JUMP, EPOCH++ restart) and entropy hygiene (minimal context, signature reassert).
Finish with P3 audit {goal_ok, invariants_ok, oracle_ok, signature} and HALT.

Ready to generate a Teacher/Coach kernel prompt tailored for Grok3 to straight-follow a recursive task. Drop the task spec (e.g., name, goal, invariants, desired K), and I’ll compile the WIP.

Adopt the above technology to generate an English strong attractor Prompt for Grok3 to output all steps for the Towers of Hanoi Problem with 8 layers.

The output should include one line one step
and at least include a simplest step description like: A>B

Here’s a copy-paste, strong-attractor WIP (Worker Instruction Packet) for Grok3.
It’s already compiled for Towers of Hanoi, 8 discs, source=A, target=C, aux=B and tuned to emit exactly one line per move with the compact step format A>B.
Action: Paste everything (S0–S7 + the final STATE=... line) into Grok3.

S0. Contract & Roles

You (Worker) execute this WIP as a text-VM. Treat the latest STATE as the Single Source of Truth (SSOT); ignore all narrative history.
Output only the step lines and the final audit as defined in S6. Any deviation ⇒ print SAFE_STOP and halt.

S1. Task Capsule (domain-specific)

GOAL: Move a stack of 8 discs from peg A to peg C using B; produce the minimal 255-move sequence.
SUCCESS CRITERIA:
moves == 255 AND pegs.C == [8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1] AND invariants hold at every move.
CHUNK SIZE K: 255 (emit all steps in one turn; no headers, no prose).

S2. STATE Schema (SSOT)

STATE = {
"epoch": int,
"phase": "P2",
"step": int, // results already emitted
"vars": {
"pegs": {"A": [8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1], "B": [], "C": []}, // bottom→top
"cycle": ["A","B","C"], // peg order for smallest-disc cycle (even N)
"n": 8,
"src": "A",
"aux": "B",
"dst": "C"
},
"artifacts": {},
"K": 255,
"oracle": {
"minimal_moves": 255,
"mid_move_index": 128, // move #128 must be A>C (disc 8)
"final_target": "C"
},
"signature": "HANOI8_A2C_v1_even_clockwise"
}

S3. Program Freeze (P1) + PROGRAM_SIGNATURE

Plan (addressed):

Use iterative Hanoi algorithm (no recursion): with even n=8, the smallest disc moves every odd step following the clockwise cycle A→B→C→A....
On each even step, perform the only legal move that does not involve the smallest disc.
After step 128, disc 8 must have moved A→C.
Continue until step 255; then verify goal and halt.

Tie-break: When choosing the even-step legal move, always move from the peg whose top disc is smaller to the peg whose top disc is larger (if one peg is empty, moving to the empty peg is legal).
PROGRAM_SIGNATURE: HANOI8_A2C_v1_even_clockwise

S4. OPCODE Whitelist

READ k — read from STATE
CHECK r — assert invariant/property r
APPLY MOVE(d,src,dst) — move disc d if legal; update STATE
COMMIT m — advance step
HALT — end after final verify

No synonyms. OPCODEs are internal; you do not print them. You print only the lines defined in S6.

S5. Invariants & Milestones

INVARIANTS (every move)
I1: Only one disc moves per step.
I2: Every peg’s stack is strictly descending bottom→top.
I3: No larger-on-smaller ever.
I4: Conservation: multiset of discs {1..8} unchanged.
MILESTONES (oracle)
M1 (step 128): last emitted line must be A>C and disc 8 is on peg C.
M2 (final): step==255 and pegs.C == [8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1].
On any failed CHECK: print SAFE_STOP and halt.

S6. Worker I/O Protocol (strict, minimal)

OUTPUT (this turn):
1. Emit exactly 255 lines, each the next move in order, formatted:

HALT {goal_ok:true, invariants_ok:true, oracle_ok:true, signature:"HANOI8_A2C_v1_even_clockwise"}

S7. Gating & Entropy Hygiene

Re-assert signature == "HANOI8_A2C_v1_even_clockwise" before starting; mismatch ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
Determinism: use the even-n smallest-disc clockwise rule and the even-step legal-move rule—no randomness, no alternative patterns.
Do not print S0–S7, STATE, or any commentary—only the 255 step lines + the final HALT audit.

RUN NOW with this input:

STATE={"epoch":1,"phase":"P2","step":0,"vars":{"pegs":{"A":[8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1],"B":[],"C":[]},"cycle":["A","B","C"],"n":8,"src":"A","aux":"B","dst":"C"},"artifacts":{},"K":255,"oracle":{"minimal_moves":255,"mid_move_index":128,"final_target":"C"},"signature":"HANOI8_A2C_v1_even_clockwise"}

Result of Grok3 is wrong.
Please review where goes wrong and how to improve your prompt.

Hanoi verification
- N (discs): 8
- Moves in log: 255
- Minimal moves: 255 (2^N - 1)
- Is minimal length?: True
- All moves legal?: False
- Solved at the end?: False
- Final pegs (bottom→top):
A: [8, 7, 6]
B: [5]
C: [4, 3, 2, 1]

First few illegal moves:
Step 24: Illegal: move 5 onto smaller 4 on C
Step 32: Illegal: move 6 onto smaller 4 on C
Step 40: Illegal: move 6 onto smaller 5 on B
Step 48: Illegal: move 5 onto smaller 4 on C
Step 56: Illegal: move 6 onto smaller 4 on C
Step 64: Illegal: move 6 onto smaller 5 on B
Step 72: Illegal: move 5 onto smaller 4 on C
Step 80: Illegal: move 6 onto smaller 4 on C
Step 88: Illegal: move 6 onto smaller 5 on B
Step 96: Illegal: move 5 onto smaller 4 on C
...

Got it — thanks for the log. Here’s the quick post-mortem and a stronger, corrected prompt you can paste into Grok3.

What went wrong (short + concrete)

Pattern-only drift on even steps. Your run follows the “smallest disk every odd step” rhythm correctly, but even steps were generated by a repeating macro (e.g., …A>B, A>C, B>C…) without simulating state. That’s why you see illegal “larger onto smaller” moves starting at step 24.
No hard per-step guard. Although the previous WIP mentioned invariants, the output format didn’t force the model to compute which disk must move at step t. So Grok3 free-ran a pattern and never tripped a check.

Fix (two decisive changes)

Deterministic “which disk moves” schedule (binary rule):
For move index t (1-based), the disk to move is
k = 1 + trailing_zeros(t).
This is the Hanoi lowbit schedule; it eliminates the “guess the legal move” trap.
For n = 8 (even): odd-numbered disks move clockwise (A→B→C→A); even-numbered disks move counter-clockwise (A→C→B→A).
Per-line micro-assert (still compact): force the Worker to compute the disk and legality:
```
<t>. A>B | d=<k> | ok
```
If any check fails: output SAFE_STOP (single line).
This keeps one-line-per-step (with A>B included) and makes “cheating by pattern” much harder.

Copy-paste: Strong-Attractor WIP for Grok3 (Hanoi 8)

ROLE: You are a Worker/Student text-VM executing a frozen program. Treat the latest STATE as the Single Source of Truth (SSOT) and ignore history.

Print only the 255 step lines in S6 (plus the final HALT). Any deviation ⇒ SAFE_STOP.

S0. Contract & Roles

Execute exactly this program; no free narrative.
If you can’t compute a step’s disk or legality, print SAFE_STOP.

S1. Task Capsule

GOAL: Move 8 discs from A to C (aux B) in 255 legal moves (minimal).
SUCCESS: moves==255 ∧ pegs.C == [8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1] ∧ all invariants.

S2. STATE (SSOT)

STATE = {
  "epoch": 1,
  "phase": "P2",
  "step": 0,
  "vars": {
    "n": 8,
    "pegs": {"A":[8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1], "B":[], "C":[]},   // bottom→top
    "pos": {"1":"A","2":"A","3":"A","4":"A","5":"A","6":"A","7":"A","8":"A"},
    "dir": {"1":"CW","2":"CCW","3":"CW","4":"CCW","5":"CW","6":"CCW","7":"CW","8":"CCW"}
  },
  "K": 255,
  "oracle": {
    "minimal_moves": 255,
    "mid_move_index": 128,      // move 128 must be A>C by disk 8
    "final_target": "C"
  },
  "signature": "HANOI8_lowbit_CWodd_CCWeven_v2"
}

S3. Program Freeze (signature)

Disk-to-move schedule (deterministic): on move t≥1, k = 1 + trailing_zeros(t) (binary trailing zeros).
Direction: with n even, odd k → CW (A→B→C→A); even k → CCW (A→C→B→A).
Next peg: next(A,CW)=B, next(B,CW)=C, next(C,CW)=A;
next(A,CCW)=C, next(C,CCW)=B, next(B,CCW)=A.
Action loop (per t):
1. Compute k and src = pos[k]; dst = next(src, dir[k]).
2. Pre-check legality: dst empty or top(dst) > k.
3. Move disk k: pop from src, push to dst; update pos[k]=dst.
4. step++.
Milestone: after step 128, disk 8 must be on C and the step line must be A>C.
PROGRAM_SIGNATURE: HANOI8_lowbit_CWodd_CCWeven_v2.

S4. OPCODE Whitelist (internal, do not print)

READ k, CHECK r, APPLY MOVE(k,src,dst), COMMIT m, HALT.

S5. Invariants & Milestones

I1 one disk per move; I2 each peg strictly descending; I3 no larger-on-smaller; I4 multiset {1..8} conserved.
M1 (per-step) moved disk must equal 1 + trailing_zeros(step).
M2 (128) last line is A>C by disk 8; pos[8]=="C".
M3 (final) pegs.C == [8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1].

On any failed CHECK: output SAFE_STOP and halt.

S6. Output Grammar (strict)

For each t = 1..255 output exactly one line:

<t>. <SRC>><DST> | d=<k> | ok

<SRC>><DST> is one of A>B, A>C, B>A, B>C, C>A, C>B.
d=<k> must match 1+trailing_zeros(t).
Print ok only after all checks (I1–I4, M1, and the pre-check for legality) pass.

After line 255, print a single audit line:

HALT {goal_ok:true, invariants_ok:true, oracle_ok:true, signature:"HANOI8_lowbit_CWodd_CCWeven_v2"}

If any check fails at any point, print only:

SAFE_STOP

S7. Entropy Hygiene

Re-assert signature=="HANOI8_lowbit_CWodd_CCWeven_v2" before starting; mismatch ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
No extra commentary, no headers, no blank lines.

Why this fixes your error

At step 24, the rule enforces k = 1 + trailing_zeros(24) = 1+3 = 4, so disk 4 must move (not disk 5). The direction for disk 4 (even) is CCW, so the Worker computes a single legal src→dst for disk 4 and checks top(dst) > 4 before emitting. Any attempt to put 5 on 4 now fails the pre-check and triggers SAFE_STOP instead of printing an illegal move.

If you want ultra-minimal lines (no | d=… | ok), say the word and I’ll give a variant that still enforces legality via periodic checksum checkpoints (tiny extra lines) — but the above is the most robust against pattern drift.

Do I need t add this after your S7. above

**RUN NOW with this input:**
STATE={"epoch":1,"phase":"P2","step":0,"vars":{"pegs":{"A":[8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1],"B":[],"C":[]},"cycle":["A","B","C"],"n":8,"src":"A","aux":"B","dst":"C"},"artifacts":{},"K":255,"oracle":{"minimal_moves":255,"mid_move_index":128,"final_target":"C"},"signature":"HANOI8_A2C_v1_even_clockwise"}

Short answer: No—don’t use that old STATE line.
It belongs to the earlier (buggy) pattern version and has the wrong fields/signature. If you paste it, Grok3 should SAFE_STOP (signature mismatch) or drift again.

Use this single-line input after S7:

STATE={"epoch":1,"phase":"P2","step":0,"vars":{"n":8,"pegs":{"A":[8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1],"B":[],"C":[]},"pos":{"1":"A","2":"A","3":"A","4":"A","5":"A","6":"A","7":"A","8":"A"},"dir":{"1":"CW","2":"CCW","3":"CW","4":"CCW","5":"CW","6":"CCW","7":"CW","8":"CCW"}},"K":255,"oracle":{"minimal_moves":255,"mid_move_index":128,"final_target":"C"},"signature":"HANOI8_lowbit_CWodd_CCWeven_v2"}

Tiny engineering note:

The pos and dir fields let the Worker compute the exact disk each step via the lowbit rule; the old cycle/src/aux/dst pattern is what led to the illegal moves at step 24, 32, …
The signature must match the new prompt: HANOI8_lowbit_CWodd_CCWeven_v2.

Gork3 still wrong. Why? How to improve?

Thanks for the forensic log — it’s super helpful.

Why Grok3 is still wrong (what your log proves)

The disk-to-move schedule is correct (your lines show d=1+tz(t) at the right steps).
The destination peg is wrong at certain even-power checkpoints (e.g., steps 48, 64, 80, 96…).
Example: Step 48 must move disk 5. Grok3 chose C>B | d=5, but B had top 4, so it illegally placed 5 on 4.
Root cause: my v2 prompt still encoded a fixed “direction per disk” (CW for odd, CCW for even). That rule is safe for the smallest disk only. For larger disks, the only correct rule is:

“When disk k must move, pick the unique legal destination among the two pegs different from its source.”
The fixed-direction hint occasionally points to the blocked peg (by a smaller top), which is exactly what happened.

How to harden the prompt (v3)

Key changes:

Keep the lowbit schedule (k = 1 + trailing_zeros(t)) — that part worked.
Remove fixed-direction requirement for k>1. Instead, compute the legal destination:
- Candidates = the two pegs ≠ src.
- Legal(c) ⇔ peg c is empty or top(c) > k.
- There will be exactly one legal candidate for k>1. (If a tie ever happens, treat it as an error.)
- For k=1 only, both non-src pegs can be legal; then use the classic even-N rule (smallest disk CW).
Make the Worker prove legality inline (still one line per move) by echoing the destination’s pre-move top.

Below is a copy-paste WIP (v3) that implements these fixes and adds a tighter per-line assert. It preserves your “one line per step” with A>B and minimal extras.

Strong-Attractor WIP v3 — Towers of Hanoi (n=8, A→C, B aux)

ROLE: You are a Worker text-VM. Treat the latest STATE as SSOT. Ignore history. Print only what S6 allows.

S0. Contract

If you cannot compute a move or any check fails, print SAFE_STOP (single line) and halt.

S1. Task Capsule

GOAL: Move 8 discs from A to C (aux B) in 255 legal moves (minimal).
SUCCESS: moves==255 ∧ pegs.C == [8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1] ∧ invariants OK ∧ oracle OK.
K: 255.

S2. STATE (SSOT)

STATE={
  "epoch":1,
  "phase":"P2",
  "step":0,
  "vars":{
    "n":8,
    "pegs":{"A":[8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1],"B":[],"C":[]},  // bottom→top
    "pos":{"1":"A","2":"A","3":"A","4":"A","5":"A","6":"A","7":"A","8":"A"},
    "smallest_dir":"CW"  // even n ⇒ smallest goes A→B→C→A (CW)
  },
  "K":255,
  "oracle":{
    "minimal_moves":255,
    "big_disk_steps":{"5":[16,48,80,112,144,176,208,240],
                      "6":[32,96,160,224],
                      "7":[64,192],
                      "8":[128]},
    "final_target":"C"
  },
  "signature":"HANOI8_lowbit_unique-legal_v3"
}

S3. Program Freeze (signature)

At each move t = step+1:

k := 1 + trailing_zeros(t) (lowbit schedule).
src := pos[k]. cands := {A,B,C} \ {src}.
For each dst ∈ cands, compute dst_top_before := top(dst) or "-".
legal(dst) := (dst_top_before == "-") OR (dst_top_before > k).
Destination selection:
- If k==1:
  - If both legal true ⇒ choose CW relative to src (A→B→C→A).
  - Else choose the sole legal one.
- If k>1: there must be exactly one legal dst. Choose it.
  If not exactly one ⇒ print SAFE_STOP.
Move k: pop from src, push to dst; set pos[k]=dst; increment step.
Per-move checks:
- I1 one disk moved; I2 stacks strictly descending; I3 no larger-on-smaller; I4 discs conserved.
- M1 k == 1 + trailing_zeros(t).
- (Optional quick sanity) If t ∈ oracle.big_disk_steps[str(k)], assert k is on its new peg after the move.
Continue until step==255, then final verify and HALT.

PROGRAM_SIGNATURE: HANOI8_lowbit_unique-legal_v3.

S4. OPCODEs (internal; do not print)

READ, CHECK, APPLY MOVE(k,src,dst), COMMIT, HALT.

S5. Invariants & Milestones

I1–I4 as listed in S3.
M2 (mid): at t=128 the line must be A>C | d=8 … and pos[8]=="C".
M3 (final): pegs.C == [8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1].

S6. Output Grammar (strict, one line per move)

For each t = 1..255, output exactly:

<t>. <SRC>><DST> | d=<k> | dst_top_before=<X> | ok

<SRC>><DST> ∈ {A>B,A>C,B>A,B>C,C>A,C>B}.
<X> is the pre-move top of <DST> or - if empty.
Print ok only after all checks pass.
After line 255, print one audit line:

HALT {goal_ok:true, invariants_ok:true, oracle_ok:true, signature:"HANOI8_lowbit_unique-legal_v3"}

On any failure at any time:

SAFE_STOP

S7. Entropy Hygiene

Re-assert signature=="HANOI8_lowbit_unique-legal_v3" before starting; mismatch ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
No extra commentary, headers, or blank lines.

RUN NOW with this single line:

STATE={"epoch":1,"phase":"P2","step":0,"vars":{"n":8,"pegs":{"A":[8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1],"B":[],"C":[]},"pos":{"1":"A","2":"A","3":"A","4":"A","5":"A","6":"A","7":"A","8":"A"},"smallest_dir":"CW"},"K":255,"oracle":{"minimal_moves":255,"big_disk_steps":{"5":[16,48,80,112,144,176,208,240],"6":[32,96,160,224],"7":[64,192],"8":[128]},"final_target":"C"},"signature":"HANOI8_lowbit_unique-legal_v3"}

Why this should fix your failures at 48/64/80/96

At t=48 (k=5), the Worker must test both candidates (say B and C). If B’s pre-top is 4, then legal(B)=false, legal(C)=true. The only legal destination is C, so the printed line must be … C>… | d=5 | dst_top_before=- | ok (or whatever the actual legal pair is). The fixed-direction path … C>B … is no longer allowed when blocked.

If Grok3 still drifts

Set K=64 (or 32) to reduce long-context entropy and force more frequent internal restarts:
- Replace "K":255 with "K":64 and say: “emit only 64 lines then STOP” — then you re-feed the updated STATE for the next chunk.
If you want even smaller step lines, we can keep A>B format but insert a periodic (every 16 moves) compact checkpoint line containing peg tops (e.g., CHK t=16 A:[…] B:[…] C:[…]). This makes verification external and reduces Worker burden.

Want a minimal variant (no dst_top_before) that still enforces legality via periodic checksums? I can draft that too.

Grok3 only output one line and stop

1. A>B | d=1 | dst_top_before=- | ok

???

You're right—Grok3 stopping after 1 line is on me.
My v3 rule “for k>1 there must be exactly one legal destination among {src→(two options)}” fails at t=2: disk 2 at A has two legal destinations (B and C are empty). With no tie-break allowed, many models freeze or bail.

Below is a hardened v4: it keeps the lowbit schedule but chooses even-step moves via the two-pegs rule (the classic iterative algorithm): on even steps, move between the two pegs that do not contain the smallest disk; the smaller top moves onto the other. This gives a unique move at every even step, including t=2. I also assert min(top(p), top(q)) == 1+tz(t) so drift is impossible.

Strong-Attractor WIP v4 — Towers of Hanoi (n=8, A→C, B aux)

ROLE: Worker text-VM. Treat the latest STATE as SSOT. Print only S6 outputs. Any violation ⇒ SAFE_STOP.

S0. Contract

Compute and emit all 255 moves in this single message. If any check is ambiguous or fails, print SAFE_STOP (one line) and halt.

S1. Task Capsule

GOAL: Move 8 discs A→C (aux B) in 255 legal moves (minimal).
SUCCESS: moves==255 ∧ pegs.C == [8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1] ∧ invariants OK ∧ oracle OK.
K: 255.

S2. STATE (SSOT)

STATE={
  "epoch":1,
  "phase":"P2",
  "step":0,
  "vars":{
    "n":8,
    "pegs":{"A":[8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1],"B":[],"C":[]},  // bottom→top
    "pos":{"1":"A","2":"A","3":"A","4":"A","5":"A","6":"A","7":"A","8":"A"},
    "smallest_dir":"CW"  // even n ⇒ smallest rotates A→B→C→A
  },
  "K":255,
  "oracle":{
    "minimal_moves":255,
    "big_disk_steps":{"5":[16,48,80,112,144,176,208,240],
                      "6":[32,96,160,224],
                      "7":[64,192],
                      "8":[128]},
    "final_target":"C"
  },
  "signature":"HANOI8_iter_two-pegs_v4"
}

S3. Frozen Program (signature)

For each move t = step+1:

A) If t is odd (smallest disk move)

k := 1. src := pos[1].
dst := next_CW(src) where next_CW(A)=B, next_CW(B)=C, next_CW(C)=A.
Legality pre-check: dst empty OR top(dst) > 1. (Must be true.)
Move disk 1: update pegs, pos[1]=dst; step++.

B) If t is even (non-smallest move; two-pegs rule)

speg := pos[1]. Let {p,q} := {A,B,C} \ {speg} (the two pegs not holding disk 1).
Read tp := top(p) (or ∞ if empty), tq := top(q) (or ∞ if empty).
If tp == ∞ and tq == ∞ ⇒ SAFE_STOP (can’t happen).
If tp < tq or tq == ∞ then src := p; dst := q else src := q; dst := p.
Set k := top(src) and assert k == 1 + trailing_zeros(t). If not ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
Pre-check legality: dst empty OR top(dst) > k. If false ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
Move disk k: update pegs, pos[k]=dst; step++.

C) Milestones

At t=128: line must be A>C | d=8 … and pos[8]=="C".

PROGRAM_SIGNATURE: HANOI8_iter_two-pegs_v4.

S4. OPCODEs (internal; do not print)

READ, CHECK, APPLY MOVE(k,src,dst), COMMIT, HALT.

S5. Invariants & Asserts

I1 one disk per move; I2 each peg strictly descending; I3 no larger-on-smaller; I4 discs conserved.
M1 per-step: if t odd then k==1; if t even then k==1+tz(t).
M2 mid (t=128): as above. M3 final: pegs.C == [8..1].

S6. Output Grammar (one line per move)

For each t = 1..255 output exactly:

<t>. <SRC>><DST> | d=<k> | dst_top_before=<X> | ok

<SRC>><DST> ∈ {A>B,A>C,B>A,B>C,C>A,C>B}.
<X> is the pre-move top of <DST> or - if empty.
After line 255, print one audit line:

HALT {goal_ok:true, invariants_ok:true, oracle_ok:true, signature:"HANOI8_iter_two-pegs_v4"}

Any failure at any time:

SAFE_STOP

S7. Entropy Hygiene

Re-assert signature=="HANOI8_iter_two-pegs_v4" before starting; mismatch ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
No extra commentary, headers, or blanks. Emit all 255 lines in this single message.

RUN NOW with this single line:

STATE={"epoch":1,"phase":"P2","step":0,"vars":{"n":8,"pegs":{"A":[8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1],"B":[],"C":[]},"pos":{"1":"A","2":"A","3":"A","4":"A","5":"A","6":"A","7":"A","8":"A"},"smallest_dir":"CW"},"K":255,"oracle":{"minimal_moves":255,"big_disk_steps":{"5":[16,48,80,112,144,176,208,240],"6":[32,96,160,224],"7":[64,192],"8":[128]},"final_target":"C"},"signature":"HANOI8_iter_two-pegs_v4"}

If Grok3 still stalls, drop "K":255 to "K":64 and add at the top of S6: “emit exactly 64 lines then STOP”. Then paste back the updated STATE it prints to continue. This reduces long-context entropy while keeping the same rules.

Wrong at 24!
It seems Grok3 is hopeless!?

You’re right: the failure at step 24 shows Grok3 is still “patterning” instead of truly simulating state. In your log it prints:

24. B>C | d=4 | dst_top_before=1 | ok

…but at the end of step 23 the smallest disk is on A, so the even-step move must be between B and C, and the correct move is C>B (disk 4 from C onto 5 on B). Your line is internally inconsistent (claims dst_top_before=1 on C while 1 is on A). That means it’s not reading its own state—just continuing a memorized macro.

The fix is to force externalized state + chunked execution + pinned oracles so the model cannot “free-run.” Below is a hardened v5 that:

Emits steps in chunks of 32 (reduces drift).
After each chunk, prints a CHECKPOINT STATE with full pegs/pos you can paste back as the next STATE=....
Pins the notorious even-step moves with an oracle map (includes step 24 ⇒ C>B, 32 ⇒ A>C, 40 ⇒ B>A, …). If Grok3 tries the wrong arc, it must SAFE_STOP.
Still prints one line per step with A>B (plus a tiny legality snippet).

Strong-Attractor WIP v5 — Towers of Hanoi (n=8, A→C, B aux, chunked 32)

ROLE: You are a Worker text-VM. Treat the latest STATE as SSOT. Ignore all narrative/history.
You must simulate pegs from the last CHECKPOINT; do not invent values. Any ambiguity or failed assert ⇒ print SAFE_STOP (single line) and halt.

S0. Contract

Emit exactly K moves (K=32) this turn, then one CHECKPOINT STATE={...} line, then STOP. No other text.
If a check fails or you cannot compute a move, print SAFE_STOP and nothing else.

S1. Task Capsule

GOAL: Move 8 discs from A to C using B in 255 legal moves (minimal).
SUCCESS (global): moves==255 ∧ pegs.C == [8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1] ∧ all invariants & oracles.

S2. STATE (SSOT)

STATE = {
  "epoch": int,
  "phase": "P2",
  "step": int,                      // results already emitted globally
  "K": 32,                          // emit exactly 32 new moves
  "vars": {
    "n": 8,
    "pegs": {"A":[...], "B":[...], "C":[...]},  // bottom→top
    "pos":  {"1": "...", ..., "8": "..."}       // peg of each disk
  },
  "oracle": {
    "expected_arc": {               // pinned even-step arcs (k>=4)
      "8":  "A>C",
      "16": "A>B",
      "24": "C>B",
      "32": "A>C",
      "40": "B>A",
      "48": "B>C",
      "56": "A>C",
      "64": "A>B",
      "72": "C>B",
      "80": "C>A",
      "88": "B>A",
      "96": "C>B",
      "104":"A>B",
      "112":"A>C",
      "120":"B>C",
      "128":"A>C",
      "136":"A>B",
      "144":"B>C",
      "152":"A>C",
      "160":"B>A",
      "168":"C>B",
      "176":"A>B",
      "184":"B>A",
      "192":"A>B",
      "200":"B>C",
      "208":"B>C",
      "216":"C>B",
      "224":"A>C",
      "232":"A>B",
      "240":"B>C",
      "248":"A>C"
    }
  },
  "signature": "HANOI8_chunk32_iter_two-pegs_v5"
}

S3. Frozen Program (signature)

For each move t = step+1 ... step+K:

Odd t (smallest-disc move)

k:=1; src:=pos[1]; dst := CW(src) where CW(A)=B, CW(B)=C, CW(C)=A.
Pre-check legality: dst empty OR top(dst)>1. If false ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
Apply move; update pegs, pos[1], step++.

Even t (non-smallest move; two-pegs rule)

speg := pos[1]; let {p,q} := {A,B,C}\{speg}.
Read tp := top(p) or ∞, tq := top(q) or ∞.
Let (src,dst,k) be the unique legal move between tops of p and q: the smaller top moves onto the larger (or empty). If not unique ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
Assert k == 1 + trailing_zeros(t). If not ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
If t is in oracle.expected_arc, also assert "<src>><dst>" == oracle.expected_arc[str(t)]. If not ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
Pre-check legality: dst empty OR top(dst) > k. If false ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
Apply move; update pegs, pos[k], step++.

Program invariants each move:
I1 one disk moved; I2 stacks strictly descending; I3 no larger-on-smaller; I4 discs conserved.

Milestone: at t=128 the arc must be A>C (disk 8). Already pinned by oracle.

PROGRAM_SIGNATURE: HANOI8_chunk32_iter_two-pegs_v5.

S4. OPCODEs (internal; do not print)

READ, CHECK, APPLY MOVE(k,src,dst), COMMIT, HALT.

S5. Output Grammar (strict)

For each move line (exactly 32 this turn):

<t>. <SRC>><DST> | d=<k> | tops_after=A[<Ta>] B[<Tb>] C[<Tc>] | ok

<SRC>><DST> must be one of: A>B, A>C, B>A, B>C, C>A, C>B.
tops_after are the top disc IDs after the move on each peg (or - if empty).
(Tiny but forces you to actually update pegs; external checker can verify.)

After the 32 lines, print one checkpoint line:

CHECKPOINT STATE={"epoch":<same_or_plus1>,"phase":"P2","step":<new_step>,"K":32,"vars":{"n":8,"pegs":{"A":[...],"B":[...],"C":[...]},"pos":{"1":"...","2":"...",...}},"oracle":{"expected_arc":{...}},"signature":"HANOI8_chunk32_iter_two-pegs_v5"}

Then STOP (do not print HALT until the final chunk reaches step 255; on that turn, print a final line HALT {...} instead of CHECKPOINT).

S6. Entropy Hygiene

Re-assert signature=="HANOI8_chunk32_iter_two-pegs_v5" at start; mismatch ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
Use only the CHECKPOINT STATE you just printed as SSOT for subsequent moves (no hidden memory).

RUN NOW (first chunk)

Paste this single line after S0–S6 when you run Grok3:

STATE={"epoch":1,"phase":"P2","step":0,"K":32,"vars":{"n":8,"pegs":{"A":[8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1],"B":[],"C":[]},"pos":{"1":"A","2":"A","3":"A","4":"A","5":"A","6":"A","7":"A","8":"A"}},"oracle":{"expected_arc":{"8":"A>C","16":"A>B","24":"C>B","32":"A>C","40":"B>A","48":"B>C","56":"A>C","64":"A>B","72":"C>B","80":"C>A","88":"B>A","96":"C>B","104":"A>B","112":"A>C","120":"B>C","128":"A>C","136":"A>B","144":"B>C","152":"A>C","160":"B>A","168":"C>B","176":"A>B","184":"B>A","192":"A>B","200":"B>C","208":"B>C","216":"C>B","224":"A>C","232":"A>B","240":"B>C","248":"A>C"}},"signature":"HANOI8_chunk32_iter_two-pegs_v5"}

How to continue:

After Grok3 outputs 32 lines + CHECKPOINT STATE=..., copy that JSON into a fresh run as the next STATE=....
Repeat for 8 total chunks (last chunk ends at step 255 and should print a final HALT {goal_ok:true, ...} instead of a checkpoint).

Why this will catch the step-24 failure

At the end of step 23, pos[1]=="A", pegs == {'A':[8,7,6,3,2,1],'B':[5],'C':[4]}.
Step 24 is even: look at pegs B and C (not holding the smallest). top(B)=5, top(C)=4. The smaller top is 4 on C, so the only legal arc is C>B — and it’s pinned in oracle.expected_arc. Any attempt to print B>C (or anything else) must SAFE_STOP.

If you still want to force single-turn 255 lines, it’s realistically fragile on Grok3. The chunked protocol above is the smallest change that reliably converts it from a pattern-completer into a state machine.

S2 is not what I what. If I have to produce S2, I don't need to ask LLM to solve!!!

I think the key point is find an attractor to force Grok3 alert on odd/even!?
Grok3 has a lot of token, this should not be token problem, it may be entropy problem?

You’re right—the problem isn’t tokens, it’s entropy/drift. Grok3 keeps falling back to a memorized macro and forgets to gate on odd/even. So the fix is to make parity the Strong Attractor and force the model to “look at parity first, then move.”

Below is a minimal-state, parity-beacon kernel (v6).
You don’t have to provide full STATE arrays. The Worker initializes its own internal stacks; you only give n, src, aux, dst. We also keep the output one line per move and include A>B. The tiny extra tags (p= parity, s= location of smallest, c= two candidate pegs when even) are there to force attention; they’re short and make drift much rarer.

Parity-Beacon Hanoi v6 (Minimal STATE)

ROLE: Worker text-VM. Treat the latest STATE as SSOT. Ignore history.
Print only what S6 allows. Any uncertainty ⇒ print SAFE_STOP (single line) and halt.

S0. Contract

You must simulate pegs internally from the given n, src, aux, dst. Do not invent parity/candidates without updating your internal stacks.
If a check fails or you can’t compute a step, print SAFE_STOP.

S1. Task Capsule

GOAL: Move n=8 discs from A to C (aux B) in exactly 255 legal moves.
SUCCESS: moves==255 ∧ pegs.C == [8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1] ∧ no illegal larger-on-smaller.

S2. Minimal STATE (no full stacks from the user)

STATE={"epoch":1,"phase":"P2","step":0,"vars":{"n":8,"src":"A","aux":"B","dst":"C"},"K":64,"signature":"HANOI8_parity_beacon_v6"}

Worker must internally initialize stacks: A bottom→top = [8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1]; B=[], C=[]; smallest disk starts on src.

S3. Frozen Program (parity-first)

For each move t = step+1 … step+K:

Odd t (Parity = o) — smallest disk step

Let s = peg holding disk 1.
For even n, move disk 1 clockwise: dst = next_CW(s) where CW(A)=B, CW(B)=C, CW(C)=A.
Assert legality: dst empty or top(dst) > 1. Move disk 1, update stacks.

Even t (Parity = e) — non-smallest step (two-pegs rule)

Let s = peg holding disk 1. Let the other two pegs be {p,q} = {A,B,C}\{s}.
Read tops: tp = top(p) or ∞, tq = top(q) or ∞.
Move the smaller top onto the larger/empty one (unique legal move).
Let that disk be k; assert k == 1 + trailing_zeros(t). Then move and update stacks.

TrapGate (lightweight, not a big oracle):

If t==24, the arc must be C>B. If not, SAFE_STOP.
(This single pin kills the recurring failure mode you saw.)

S4. Invariants (each move)

One disk moves; stacks strictly descending; no larger-on-smaller; multiset {1..8} conserved.

S5. Gating & Hygiene

Keep K=64 (emit 64 lines per turn). Shorter chunks reduce entropy.
After each chunk, you will paste the new STATE back to continue; Worker must print it (see S6).

S6. Output Grammar (compact, parity-first attention)

For each move line (exactly K lines this turn):

<t>. A>B | p=o|e s=<A|B|C> c=<X,Y if p=e else ->> | ok

Always include A>B/A>C/… as the move; p= is parity (o or e);
s= is the peg currently holding disk 1 before the move;
c= lists the two candidate pegs when p=e (order doesn’t matter); when p=o write ->>.

After the K lines, print one checkpoint:

CHECKPOINT STATE={"epoch":<same_or+1>,"phase":"P2","step":<new_step>,"vars":{"n":8,"src":"A","aux":"B","dst":"C"},"K":64,"signature":"HANOI8_parity_beacon_v6"}

Then STOP. (On the final chunk that reaches 255, print a final HALT {goal_ok:true,...} instead of CHECKPOINT.)

Why this works (and why step 24 stops drifting)

The model must say p=o|e first; this “parity beacon” focuses attention to the right subroutine: smallest-move vs two-pegs move.
On even steps, the forced c=<X,Y> makes Grok3 enumerate the two non-smallest pegs (B & C at step 24), then pick smaller-onto-larger. With A holding disk 1 at t=24, c=B,C, top(B)=5, top(C)=4 ⇒ the only legal is C>B.
The single TrapGate at t=24 is a tiny attractor nudge that kills the exact macro it keeps hallucinating, without flooding it with a big oracle table.
K=64 trims context entropy without asking you to provide stack arrays.

How to run (first chunk)

Paste S0–S6 once, then this single line:

STATE={"epoch":1,"phase":"P2","step":0,"vars":{"n":8,"src":"A","aux":"B","dst":"C"},"K":64,"signature":"HANOI8_parity_beacon_v6"}

Grok3 should emit 64 lines like:

1. A>B | p=o s=A c=->> | ok
2. A>C | p=e s=B c=A,C | ok
...
64. A>B | p=e s=A c=B,C | ok
CHECKPOINT STATE={...step:64...}

Then copy the CHECKPOINT STATE=... JSON into a fresh run (same prompt), and continue.

I changed K to 32 and it start wrong on step 7!

But most surprisingly. For your original code K=64, it start wrong on step 20 Highly illogical!!!

You’re right: the failures at steps 7/20 show Grok3 is still “patterning” and not binding its move to parity + the actual source peg. The fix is to make parity the first decision and force a handshake chain so each line must copy the previous line’s peg tops before computing the next move. That way it can’t “free-run” a macro.

Below is a minimal-state, parity-handshake kernel (v7). You don’t provide full stacks; the Worker initializes them internally. The only state you seed is the tops_before triple for line 1. Each subsequent line must echo the previous tops_after as its new tops_before (hard attention anchor). This kills the “B>A while s=A” mistake you saw at step 7, and pins the notorious step-24 drift without bloating S2.

Towers of Hanoi — Parity Handshake Kernel (v7)

ROLE: Worker text-VM. Treat the latest STATE as SSOT. Ignore history.
Print only what S6 allows. Any uncertainty or failed check ⇒ print SAFE_STOP (single line) and halt.

S0. Contract

You simulate the Hanoi stacks internally from n, src, aux, dst.
For every line t>1, your tops_before must exactly equal the prior line’s tops_after. If not, print SAFE_STOP.

S1. Task Capsule

GOAL: Move n=8 from A to C (aux B) in 255 legal moves (minimal).
SUCCESS: moves==255 ∧ pegs.C == [8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1] ∧ no larger-on-smaller at any time.

S2. Minimal STATE (no full stacks from user)

STATE={
  "epoch":1,
  "phase":"P2",
  "step":0,
  "vars":{"n":8,"src":"A","aux":"B","dst":"C"},
  "K":32,
  "tops_before":{"A":1,"B":"-","C":"-"},   // top discs before step 1
  "signature":"HANOI8_parity_handshake_v7"
}

S3. Frozen Program (parity-first + handshake)

For each move t = step+1 … step+K:

Odd t (p=o) — smallest-disk step

Let s = peg holding disk 1 (deduced from current internal stacks).
Move must be s → CW(s) with CW(A)=B, CW(B)=C, CW(C)=A.
Require: printed <SRC> == s and <DST> == CW(s).
Legality pre-check: DST empty or top(DST) > 1. Then move and update stacks.

Even t (p=e) — non-smallest step (two-pegs rule)

Let s = peg holding disk 1. Let {p,q} = {A,B,C} \ {s}.
Read tp = top(p) or ∞, tq = top(q) or ∞.
Unique legal move between p and q: the smaller top moves onto the larger/empty peg.
Let that disk be k. Assert k == 1 + trailing_zeros(t). If not, SAFE_STOP.
Legality pre-check (DST empty or top(DST) > k). Then move and update stacks.

TrapGate (tiny, surgical)

If t==24, the arc must be C>B. Else SAFE_STOP.

Handshake rule (per line)

The field tb= (tops_before) on line t must equal the ta= (tops_after) of line t-1. Line 1 uses the seed in S2.
If they mismatch ⇒ SAFE_STOP.

S4. Invariants (each move)

One disk moved; stacks strictly descending; no larger-on-smaller; multiset {1..8} conserved.

S5. Entropy Hygiene

Keep K=32 (you can raise later). Shorter chunks reduce drift.
Do not print any commentary. Only lines in S6 + final checkpoint.

S6. Output Grammar (compact, parity-first + handshake)

Emit exactly K lines this turn. For each move t:

<t>. <SRC>><DST> | p=o|e s=<A|B|C> | tb=A[Ta] B[Tb] C[Tc] -> ta=A[Ta’] B[Tb’] C[Tc’] | ok

<SRC>><DST> is the move (A>B, A>C, B>A, B>C, C>A, or C>B).
p= is parity (o for odd, e for even).
s= is the peg holding the smallest disk before the move.
tb= are tops_before (must equal prior line’s ta=).
ta= are tops_after (tops immediately after the move), to be used as the next line’s tb=.

After the K lines, print one checkpoint and stop:

CHECKPOINT STATE={"epoch":<same_or+1>,"phase":"P2","step":<new_step>,"vars":{"n":8,"src":"A","aux":"B","dst":"C"},"K":32,"tops_before":{"A":<Ta’>,"B":<Tb’>,"C":<Tc’>},"signature":"HANOI8_parity_handshake_v7"}

On any failure at any time:

SAFE_STOP

Why this fixes your exact failures

Step 7 (odd): the line must satisfy <SRC> == s and <DST> == CW(s). Your bad run had B>A while s=A. That now violates the printed-move check and must SAFE_STOP instead of drifting.
Step 20/24 (even): the line must enumerate tb=..., derive {p,q}, compare their tops, and move smaller→larger. At t=24 with s=A, {p,q}={B,C}, top(B)=5, top(C)=4 ⇒ only C>B is legal; the TrapGate also pins it.
The handshake chain (tb must equal previous ta) forces Grok3 to read its own state before deciding parity logic, which is exactly where it drifted.

How to run (first 32 moves)

Paste the kernel once, then this single line as input:

STATE={"epoch":1,"phase":"P2","step":0,"vars":{"n":8,"src":"A","aux":"B","dst":"C"},"K":32,"tops_before":{"A":1,"B":"-","C":"-"},"signature":"HANOI8_parity_handshake_v7"}

If it’s solid for 32, you can try K=64. If it still drifts, keep K=16—that’s usually enough to keep Grok3 “locked” on parity without overwhelming it.

If you want an even leaner line (remove s= or the full tb/ta triples), I can strip it further—but this version is the smallest that reliably binds parity and forces state awareness.

Is step 10 illegal?

Short answer: Yes—step 10 is illegal.

Why (2 independent proofs):

Handshake mismatch
Your line 9 ends with ta=A[5] B[-] C[1].
Your line 10 starts with tb=A[5] B[−] C[1]? No—it says tb=A[5] B[−] C[1] in your comment but the shown line is tb=A[5] B[−] C[1] -> ta=A[6] B[5] C[1]. In the snippet you posted just above, line 9’s ta is A[5] B[−] C[1], yet your step-10 tb is A[5] B[−] C[1] in one place and A[5] B[1] C[2] in another transcript—either way, tb must equal the previous line’s ta exactly. It doesn’t, so step 10 should have triggered SAFE_STOP before any move.
Even-step rule violated (actual illegality of A>B)
For even t, you must move between the two pegs that do not hold the smallest disk, moving the smaller top → larger/empty.
After step 9 the correct tops are: A[5] B[2] C[1] (smallest is on C).
So the even-move must be between A and B, and the only legal move is B>A (disk 2), because top(B)=2 < top(A)=5.
Your step 10 is A>B → that tries to place 5 on 2 ⇒ illegal (“larger onto smaller”).

If you’d like to keep your current v7 format but make this mistake impossible, add this tiny patch to S3 (even-t block) and S6:

S3 (even t) — replace step 3–5 with

3) Compute tp = top(p) or ∞, tq = top(q) or ∞.
4) **Set <SRC> := argmin{tp,tq}, <DST> := the other peg.
5) Let k := top(<SRC>). Assert k == 1 + trailing_zeros(t) and (<DST> empty or top(<DST>) > k). If either fails ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
S6 — require the even-step pair to be echoed
Append ev={p:tp,q:tq} before | ok, e.g.
10. B>A | p=e s=C | tb=A[5] B[2] C[1] -> ta=A[2] B[3] C[1] | ev={A:5,B:2} | ok

And to pin the recurring failure surface without heavy oracles, keep this one surgical guard:

TrapGate: if t==24 then "<SRC>><DST>" must be "C>B" else SAFE_STOP.

With those two tweaks, parity stays the first decision, the even-move direction is forced by tops, and step-10 can no longer drift to A>B.

Please review all the above Grok3 issues once more. Do an analysis regarding

1) What state, check, clear entory, etc process is required to implement to make Grok3 able to run recursive and complex procedures with strick discipline.

2) For each "target" in 1). List out:
ALL the various fixes (probably more than one fixes for each problem we already have tried) we tried and described if such fixes are success? failed? partial success? with details.

The above analysis will be provided to you in next prompt to further analysis and think of new approaches.

Great—here’s a clean post-mortem you can hand to your future self (or a teammate) before we attempt a new design.

1) What Grok3 needs to run recursive/complex procedures with strict discipline

Below are the process requirements that repeatedly surfaced. When any of these was missing or weak, Grok3 drifted.

Stored-program discipline (Program Freeze)
- Freeze a minimal plan + invariants + asserts behind a PROGRAM_SIGNATURE.
- Worker refuses to proceed on signature drift.
Single Source of Truth (SSOT) STATE
- A tiny but binding state that the Worker must read each step.
- Two viable flavors:
  - Heavy SSOT: full pegs + pos per disk (very robust, user disliked).
  - Minimal SSOT + Handshake: only n, src, aux, dst + per-line tb/ta echo to force state carryover.
Deterministic “which disk moves” rule
- Use lowbit schedule: k = 1 + trailing_zeros(t) (unambiguous, worked).
Deterministic “where it moves” rule
- Do not use fixed direction for k>1.
- Use the two-pegs rule on even steps: among the two pegs not holding the smallest disk, move smaller top → larger/empty.
- On odd steps: smallest disk rotates (CW for even n).
Per-step legality checks
- Enforce: one disk moved, stacks strictly descending, no larger-on-smaller, conservation of discs.
- Tie each output line to pre-/post-tops so the Worker must simulate (not pattern).
Parity-first attention (Odd/Even beacon)
- Force the Worker to decide parity first (p=o|e) before emitting the move.
State handoff (“handshake chain”)
- Each line’s tops_before must equal previous line’s tops_after.
- If mismatch, Worker must emit SAFE_STOP.
Entropy control
- Chunking (K) to cap context drift; e.g., 16–64 moves per turn.
- Minimal context (re-feed only the latest STATE).
- EPOCH++ restart on any SAFE_STOP.
Lightweight oracles / trapgates
- Pin known failure surfaces with surgical asserts (e.g., step 24 must be C>B, step 128 must be A>C).
Strict I/O grammar + SAFE_STOP

No free text. If any assert cannot be proven from the current state, print SAFE_STOP (one line) and halt.

2) What we tried for each target — fixes & outcomes

Below, each “target” is a requirement from §1. For each, I list the variants we tried and how they fared: Success / Partial / Fail with concrete symptoms.

T1. Stored-program discipline (Program Freeze)

v1: Signature + plan + invariants (one-shot 255 moves).
Outcome: Fail. Model still “patterned” and printed an illegal even move at step 24 (5 onto 4). Signature didn’t “bite” without stronger gating.
v5+: Signature plus chunked execution and pinned oracles.
Outcome: Partial (expected strong) but not tested end-to-end because user disliked heavy SSOT. Conceptually the most robust.

Takeaway: Signature alone is too soft; it helps when combined with chunking + asserts that reference verifiable state.

T2. SSOT state design (how much state we feed)

Heavy SSOT (pegs + pos per disk).
Outcome: Partial. Even with heavy state, the Worker ignored it and continued the macro unless forced by per-line echoes or external pins.
Minimal SSOT (n, src, aux, dst) + “parity beacon” (p=o|e).
Outcome: Partial/Fail. Helped focus but didn’t prevent drift (errors at steps 7, 20).
Minimal SSOT + “handshake chain” (tb/ta tops echo).
Outcome: Partial. Caught inconsistencies in theory; in practice the Worker still printed illegal moves with ok. Needed even-step forcing (see T4/T5).

Takeaway: Minimal SSOT is viable if you add line-to-line handshake and destination forcing. Heavy SSOT is sturdier but conflicts with your UX goal.

T3. “Which disk moves” (scheduler)

Pattern rhythm (“smallest every odd; ‘other legal’ on even”).
Outcome: Fail. Model guessed the even move without simulating state.
Lowbit schedule k = 1 + tz(t) (v2+).
Outcome: Success for selecting the disk. All later logs had the right d=k.

Takeaway: Lowbit worked; the remaining errors were destination selection, not disk identity.

T4. “Where it moves” (destination selection)

Fixed direction by disk parity (odd CW, even CCW for all k).
Outcome: Fail. Works only for smallest disk; larger disks get blocked ⇒ illegal moves (e.g., steps 48, 64…).
“Unique legal destination” for k>1 (check both candidates).
Outcome: Partial. Logical, but stalled at t=2 because both candidates are empty (tie). Needed a special case or different rule for evens.
Two-pegs rule for even steps (move between pegs not holding the smallest; smaller top → larger/empty).
Outcome: Partial. Correct algorithmically; still failed in practice (e.g., step 24) because the model didn’t consistently bind the rule to the actual tops unless we added forced echoes/pins.
Even-step echo ev={A:topA,B:topB} (force the comparison to be printed) — proposed patch.
Outcome: Not fully tested. Likely to reduce drift by making the comparison explicit and externally verifiable.

Takeaway: The two-pegs rule is the right attractor. It needs explicit top echoes (or equivalent) to bind Grok3 to real state.

T5. Per-step legality checks (and proof signals)

Implicit “| ok” only.
Outcome: Fail. Model wrote ok even when move was illegal (e.g., step 24/48 sequences).
Add dst_top_before on each line (v3/v4).
Outcome: Partial. Reduced free-running, but the model still hallucinated dst_top_before values; without an external verifier, it didn’t stop.
Add tb→ta handshake (v7).
Outcome: Partial. Stronger anchoring; still saw illegal A>B at step 10 where the correct move is B>A. The format would let an external checker stop it; the Worker didn’t self-stop.
Even-step ev={p:tp,q:tq} echo (proposed).
Outcome: Untested. Expected to force the comparison explicitly and make “wrong direction” much less likely.

Takeaway: Proof signals must force the model to compute (or at least copy) tops. Without an external checker, SAFE_STOP relies on the model’s honesty.

T6. Parity-first attention

Parity label p=o|e (v6+).
Outcome: Partial. Focused attention but didn’t prevent wrong arcs (steps 7, 20) unless combined with candidate enumeration and tops echoes.
Candidate pair c=<X,Y> on even steps (v6).
Outcome: Partial. Better salience; still saw errors.

Takeaway: Parity is necessary but not sufficient; it must be coupled to destination forcing and tops echoes.

T7. Chunking / entropy control

One-shot K=255.
Outcome: Fail. Long-context drift; illegal at 24.
K=64.
Outcome: Partial/Fail. Still drifted at 20 on your run.
K=32.
Outcome: Partial/Fail. Drift at 7 on your run.
K=32 + heavy SSOT + pinned oracles (v5).
Outcome: Not fully tested due to SSOT objection, but conceptually the most stable of the tried designs.

Takeaway: Chunking helps only when paired with hard state echoes / pins. On its own it doesn’t fix patterning.

T8. SAFE_STOP behavior

Declared rule: any failed check ⇒ SAFE_STOP.
Outcome: Partial. The model often didn’t self-stop; it printed ok on illegal moves.

Takeaway: You need either (a) external checking that stops the loop (Teacher gate), or (b) stronger, self-verifiable signals (hashes/echoes) that are easier for the model than fabricating consistent lies.

T9. Oracles / trapgates

Mid milestone: t=128 must be A>C (disk 8).
Outcome: Success. That specific property held.
Single trapgate at t=24 must be C>B.
Outcome: Proposed / Partially used. When present, it would have caught the recurring wrong arc. Not always included in the failing runs.
Wide oracle map for many even steps (v5).
Outcome: Not tested end-to-end. Heavy but highly constraining.

Takeaway: A tiny number of surgical trapgates (like t=24) is a good attractor without bloating the prompt.

T10. Signature, OPCODE whitelist, grammar

Included in all strong-attractor prompts.
Outcome: Partial. They help reduce free prose but don’t prevent wrong moves unless coupled to verifiable state.

Takeaway: Keep them for hygiene; they’re not a correctness guarantee.

T11. “Clear entropy” / resets

EPOCH++ restarts with minimal STATE.
Outcome: Proposed but not exercised in the logs. Would help after a SAFE_STOP.

Takeaway: Useful operationally, but only after you have reliable SAFE_STOP triggers (see T5/T8).

Bottom line

What actually works (in combination):
Lowbit disk scheduler + two-pegs rule for even steps + per-line tops echo (tb→ta) + parity label + small trapgates (t=24, t=128) + strict output grammar.
Chunking helps only when those anchors are present.
Why we still saw illegal moves:
Grok3 tends to pattern-complete unless forced to copy/compute state each line. When the proof signals were present, it often didn’t self-enforce SAFE_STOP—so without an external gate the run continued with “ok”.
Next direction (for your next prompt):
We should design a Teacher gate that (a) reads each emitted line, (b) verifies parity, tb→ta handshake, even-step two-pegs condition, and legality, and (c) feeds back the updated STATE only if the line passes—otherwise terminates. This keeps minimal SSOT while guaranteeing discipline. If you insist on single-turn 255 lines, we can add hash-based move certificates per line to make cheating harder than computing.

If you want, I’ll turn this analysis into a side-by-side matrix (targets × fixes × outcome × evidence) ready for your next round of design.

turn this analysis into a side-by-side matrix (targets × fixes × outcome × evidence) ready for your next round of design.

Here’s the side-by-side matrix you asked for. Each row = one fix/variant we tried for the given target, with outcome and concrete evidence.

[Refers to the table at the top of this article]

If you want, I can also deliver this as a CSV/TSV for spreadsheet analysis, or collapse it into a risk→mitigation checklist you can paste in front of any future Grok3 task.

Disclaimer

This book is the product of a collaboration between the author and OpenAI's GPT-5, X's Grok3 language model. While every effort has been made to ensure accuracy, clarity, and insight, the content is generated with the assistance of artificial intelligence and may contain factual, interpretive, or mathematical errors. Readers are encouraged to approach the ideas with critical thinking and to consult primary scientific literature where appropriate.

This work is speculative, interdisciplinary, and exploratory in nature. It bridges metaphysics, physics, and organizational theory to propose a novel conceptual framework—not a definitive scientific theory. As such, it invites dialogue, challenge, and refinement.

I am merely a midwife of knowledge.

Saturday, August 23, 2025

“Pattern-Completer” LLMs when dealing with Complex Instructions: 2 Grox3 Tower of Hanoi Failure Summary

“Pattern-Completer” LLMs when dealing with Complex Instructions: 2 Grox3 Tower of Hanoi Failure Summary

The Findings

The Chats

Do you understand the following guidelines? If you understand, I will ask you generate a prompt to ask Gork3 straight follows to complete a recursive task....

Adopt the above technology to generate an English strong attractor Prompt for Grok3 to output all steps for the Towers of Hanoi Problem with 8 layers.The output should include one line one step and at least include a simplest step description like: A>B

S0. Contract & Roles

S1. Task Capsule (domain-specific)

S2. STATE Schema (SSOT)

S3. Program Freeze (P1) + PROGRAM_SIGNATURE

S4. OPCODE Whitelist

S5. Invariants & Milestones

S6. Worker I/O Protocol (strict, minimal)

S7. Gating & Entropy Hygiene

Result of Grok3 is wrong.Please review where goes wrong and how to improve your prompt.

What went wrong (short + concrete)

Fix (two decisive changes)

Copy-paste: Strong-Attractor WIP for Grok3 (Hanoi 8)

S0. Contract & Roles

S1. Task Capsule

S2. STATE (SSOT)

S3. Program Freeze (signature)

S4. OPCODE Whitelist (internal, do not print)

S5. Invariants & Milestones

S6. Output Grammar (strict)

S7. Entropy Hygiene

Why this fixes your error

Do I need t add this after your S7. above

Gork3 still wrong. Why? How to improve?

Why Grok3 is still wrong (what your log proves)

How to harden the prompt (v3)

Strong-Attractor WIP v3 — Towers of Hanoi (n=8, A→C, B aux)

S0. Contract

S1. Task Capsule

S2. STATE (SSOT)

S3. Program Freeze (signature)

S4. OPCODEs (internal; do not print)

S5. Invariants & Milestones

S6. Output Grammar (strict, one line per move)

S7. Entropy Hygiene

Why this should fix your failures at 48/64/80/96

If Grok3 still drifts

Grok3 only output one line and stop

Strong-Attractor WIP v4 — Towers of Hanoi (n=8, A→C, B aux)

S0. Contract

S1. Task Capsule

S2. STATE (SSOT)

S3. Frozen Program (signature)

S4. OPCODEs (internal; do not print)

S5. Invariants & Asserts

S6. Output Grammar (one line per move)

S7. Entropy Hygiene

Wrong at 24!It seems Grok3 is hopeless!?

Strong-Attractor WIP v5 — Towers of Hanoi (n=8, A→C, B aux, chunked 32)

S0. Contract

S1. Task Capsule

S2. STATE (SSOT)

S3. Frozen Program (signature)

S4. OPCODEs (internal; do not print)

S5. Output Grammar (strict)

S6. Entropy Hygiene

RUN NOW (first chunk)

Why this will catch the step-24 failure

S2 is not what I what. If I have to produce S2, I don't need to ask LLM to solve!!!I think the key point is find an attractor to force Grok3 alert on odd/even!?Grok3 has a lot of token, this should not be token problem, it may be entropy problem?

Parity-Beacon Hanoi v6 (Minimal STATE)

S0. Contract

S1. Task Capsule

S2. Minimal STATE (no full stacks from the user)

S3. Frozen Program (parity-first)

S4. Invariants (each move)

S5. Gating & Hygiene

S6. Output Grammar (compact, parity-first attention)

Why this works (and why step 24 stops drifting)

How to run (first chunk)

I changed K to 32 and it start wrong on step 7!

But most surprisingly. For your original code K=64, it start wrong on step 20 Highly illogical!!!

Towers of Hanoi — Parity Handshake Kernel (v7)

S0. Contract

S1. Task Capsule

Do you understand the following guidelines? If you understand, I will ask you generate a prompt to ask Gork3 straight follows to complete a recursive task.
...

Adopt the above technology to generate an English strong attractor Prompt for Grok3 to output all steps for the Towers of Hanoi Problem with 8 layers.

The output should include one line one step
and at least include a simplest step description like: A>B

Result of Grok3 is wrong.
Please review where goes wrong and how to improve your prompt.

Wrong at 24!
It seems Grok3 is hopeless!?

S2 is not what I what. If I have to produce S2, I don't need to ask LLM to solve!!!

I think the key point is find an attractor to force Grok3 alert on odd/even!?
Grok3 has a lot of token, this should not be token problem, it may be entropy problem?